Blocklist?

[Michael_Tsai]

@Rand

The only way I know to top iCloud Junk is to take all Junk and train it as good on iCloud Mail and then it gets back in the inbox, SpamSieve will trash it I suppose. That’s a lot to keep up with.

No, don’t do that.

@Rand

If I add something to the script to have SpamSieve reprocess the Junk Folder, will that match and move messages to Trash if in blocklist?

You don’t have to add anything to your script. You can use the rescue script and change the first line so that the blocklisted messages go to the trash.

[Rand]

I’ll take a look at that script but still don’t understand why I’m getting gold messages in Junk whose name and address matches the blocklist and SpamSieve doesn’t move it to Trash. If SpamSieve and iCloud Junk are not coloring the messages, and Apple Mail’s junk filters are all off (which don’t color messages even if on as far as I understand things without Rules) and there are no Rules, who is coloring the messages?

Thanks

Rand

[Michael_Tsai]

@Rand

who is coloring the messages

iCloud’s junk filter is marking the messages as junk, and Apple Mail displays messages marked as junk in gold.

[Rand]

Hey Michael,

I’ve never used iCloud junk filtering, eg never marked a message as junk logging into iCloud, but easy to test. I’ll take a picture of my junk folder to identify recurring messages. I’ll then delete SpamSieve from the server and erase the Junk folder leaving all options the same, eg no Apple Mail junk filter. These message should reappear in junk colored and not INBOX if iCloud is getting in the way.

Thanks

Rand

[Michael_Tsai]

There’s no need to do any of the because the message headers that you posted show that the iCloud junk filter was responsible. Also, you can temporarily disable SpamSieve for testing purposes by selecting Disable spam filtering in Apple Mail without having to delete the app.

[Rand]

Thanks Michael. I just had to prove it to myself. Been programming for a very long time and I have to be sure I understand what is happening. You were correct of course, I am still getting emails in the iCloud Junk Mailbox, some are colored gold, some are not colored at all, so iCloud mail has to be responsible. I’ll look at your rescue script and see if that is something I can add to my training script to run every 5 minutes to accomplish what I’m trying to do, e.g. TrainTrash. Maybe someday SpamSieve will have a “TrainGood”, “TrainSpam”, and “TrainTrash” that gets around iCloud junk mail filtering :-).

Thanks for all of your input. Has been most helpful.

Rand

[Rand]

Another question. The messages that I want to move to Trash are not going to have a score of 99, but their name and email address have been put in the blocklist. When does SpamSieve check the blocklist and move the message to Trash? Does the score matter if the name and/or address is in the blocklist?

Thanks

Rand

[Rand]

A third question about blocklist. If the name/address is in the blocklist, will SpamSieve score the message 99, if otherwise it would score it something less. Trying to see how to use rescue script to use the blocklist to delete a message.

Thanks

Rand

[Michael_Tsai]

@Rand

I’ll look at your rescue script and see if that is something I can add to my training script to run every 5 minutes to accomplish what I’m trying to do, e.g. TrainTrash.

You can just run the rescue script unmodified, alongside your script. Combining them will be more work, both now and when we update the rescue script or build it directly into the app.

[Michael_Tsai]

@Rand

The messages that I want to move to Trash are not going to have a score of 99, but their name and email address have been put in the blocklist. When does SpamSieve check the blocklist and move the message to Trash? Does the score matter if the name and/or address is in the blocklist?

If the message matches the blocklist is will have a score of 99 (unless it also matches the allowlist or Contacts so that SpamSieve decides it’s not spam).

[Michael_Tsai]

@Rand

Trying to see how to use rescue script to use the blocklist to delete a message.

This is built into the rescue script if you set pMoveBlueMessagesToTrash to true.

[Rand]

Thanks for all your help Michael. Script now seems to do what I was trying to do, using blocklist to keep Junk Folder manageable. Most junk emails I get are now going to Trash.

Makes looking through Junk Folder much easier.

Rand