I assume they are not, because they do not appear in the spam folder on fastmail’s web interface. I have set up debug logging, will report all I find. In the meantime, here is another example of messages that were read on no other device, and are flagged despite the whitelist entry.
From: appleid@id.apple.com
Reason: P(spam)=0.000[0.000], bias=-0.519, H:X-Sent-To(0.000), x-sent-to:%(0.000), x-sent-to:%(0.000), x-sent-to:^long-2-30(0.000), x-sent-to:^long-2-30(0.000), x-sent-to:^long-2-50(0.000), x-sent-to:^long-2-50(0.000), C:paragraphs(0.000), U:appleid(0.000), U:appleid(0.000), I:icloud(0.000), I:icloud(0.000), U:icloud(0.000), U:icloud(0.000), U:gh(0.000)
Subject: Your Apple ID information has been updated.
From: appleid@id.apple.com
Actions: added rule <From (address) Is Equal to “appleid@id.apple.com”> to SpamSieve whitelist, added rule <From (address) Is Equal to “appleid_usen@email.apple.com”> to SpamSieve whitelist
Subject: Your Apple ID information has been updated.
From: appleid@id.apple.com
Subject: Your receipt from Apple.
From: no_reply@email.apple.com
“no_reply@email.apple.com”
) matched rule <From (address) Is Equal to “no_reply@email.apple.com”> in SpamSieve whitelist
Subject: Your receipt from Apple.
From: no_reply@email.apple.com
Subject: Your Apple ID was used to sign in to iCloud via a web browser.
Subject: Your receipt from Apple.
From: no_reply@email.apple.com
“no_reply@email.apple.com”
) matched rule <From (address) Is Equal to “no_reply@email.apple.com”> in SpamSieve whitelist
That is an incorrect assumption because, separate from moving the messages to the Spam mailbox, FastMail can mark in the message’s headers that it thinks it’s spam (but not spammy enough to move it). It’s also possible that it’s setting the IMAP junk flag.
By the way, could you clarify what you mean when you say that the message is flagged as spam in MailMate? Is there a number for the Spam Score?
This means that a server filter classified the message as spam. I’m not sure why MailMate is using this instead of the score from SpamSieve. I will contact the developer.
The developer says that MailMate only moves messages if SpamSieve says they’re spam, and it won’t take other headers into consideration. However, it’s possible that you have your own rule in MailMate that’s doing something. He suggests that you could send in the file:
I’m starting to think this may be just a display confusion. When you find one of these messages that SpamSieve’s log says it classified as good, which mailbox is it in? The MailMate developer reminded me that the Spam Score column is supposed to show the score from the server junk filter. There is a separate SpamSieve Score column that should match what you see in SpamSieve’s log. And whether the message was moved to the Junk mailbox should correspond with the SpamSieve Score column being 50 or higher.
I am not sure I fully understand your question/point, but here is my best effort at a response.
My main issue is with messages that I whitelist, but that repeatedly revert to junk status, with a SpamSieve score >50 (99, for example). These messages are in MailMate’s Junk folder.
The main point I was trying to make is that there are two different columns in MailMate that show spam scores. For the messages in question, could you give some examples of what both of these columns say?
Secondly, I’m curious about the fact that you said the messages are in MailMate’s Junk folder but that they are not in FastMail’s. The messages should sync and appear in the same folder everywhere.
(apologies for the delayed response.) One of the messages I repeatedly whitelist has a Spam Score = 0 and a SpamSieve Score = 100
Secondly, I’m curious about the fact that you said the messages are in MailMate’s Junk folder but that they are not in FastMail’s. The messages should sync and appear in the same folder everywhere.
I misspoke. Of course the message appears in both folder.
They don’t seem to be related to the messages that you were talking about before. And neither of them has a score of 100.
Secondly, it’s probably not a good idea to have SpamSieve filter quarantine digests from your server spam filter. Those messages are not spam, but you don’t really want to train SpamSieve that all the words in them are good. In Mail, I would recommend creating a rule, above the SpamSieve rule, that matches those messages and does “Stop Evaluating Rules.” I’m not sure at the moment how to do this with MailMate. One option might be to have the messages filtered on the server to a separate mailbox so that they don’t arrive in the inbox.
