SpamSieve 3.0.2b3 Public Beta

Here’s another SS Diagnose Report. This time I’ve got 7 unread emails in my All Inboxes, some are crap, some are good.

I am having similar challenges with one of my Gmail accounts that it doesn’t automatically filter anymore when new emails come in. It was working before. Manually using “Filter Messages” work though. Very strange and can’t tell what the challenge is. I’ll wait until I get some junk mail and see if I can pull the diagnostic report.

Well, the issue is that the Mail extension is only intermittently working, and SpamSieve’s workaround is not finding any new messages in the inbox. So when the extension doesn’t send SpamSieve any new messages, that’s when you’re getting no filtering.

@mvdalton @Julio_Bouza Are you seeing this problem only with Gmail/Google mail accounts or also with other mail providers? I wonder if it’s due to an interaction between SpamSieve’s new fast filtering and the unusual way that Apple Mail stores Gmail messages on disk.

Is it only with the inbox or also when using Filter spam messages in other mailboxes?

You could try turning off fast filtering (click to disable/enable) and see whether that helps.

Only noticing it with 1 of the 2 gmail accounts and not a clue why :(. The other providers seem fine. The 1 gmail account is with the inbox even. I just sent you the logs. I do have Filter spam messages in other mailboxes enabled and selected on the Select Mailboxes to Filter. I’ll try monitoring now after disable/enabled fast filtering and see what it does.

It looks like the one where it’s working is the one where you have All Mail selected in the Select Mailboxes to Filter sheet. Is that right?

Sorry, but I don’t understand what you mean here. Could you rephrase this?

No luck with the fast filtering change. :frowning_face:

What I mean above is that I have multiple gmail accounts configured in Apple Mail. The automatic filtering seems to be working on one of them but not the other. Both are configured with the INBOX selected for “Filter spam message in other mailboxes:”. Hopefully that helps to tie it together with the logs I sent you.

Was there a previous version where it was working?

Right, but for one of the accounts (the one beginning with “Y”) it looks like you have both INBOX and All Mail selected, while for the others you only have INBOX selected. I wonder if that’s the difference. It’s possible that it’s not showing up this way for you in the user interface, but I can see in the preferences file that filtering is enabled for All Mail in that account.

I clicked once on your supplied disable/enable link and restarted Mail/SS. It didn’t appear to have an effect in that spam still hung around long after it arrived. I’m including screenshots of the relevant settings sheets so that you can see what I did.




I have only the one Gmail account and the one iCloud account. As far as I know, I don’t get any spam in the iCloud account as it rarely gets any traffic.

Question: Going forward, would it be more complete and, perhaps, more convenient for both of us to capture and send you SS Diagnostic Reports rather than screenshots?

I want to say if my relocation is accurate 2 versions prior to 3.0.2b3 was working correctly. The version before 3.0.21b3 is when I started noticing the challenges and then I just waited for a new version to see if it fixed it and that’s when b3 came out and no luck.

As far as “the one beginning with “Y”” having INBOX and All Mail interesting. When I pull the config, I see a checkbox on INBOX but not on All Mail and I want to say that a while back ago there was a checkbox for All Mail and I had selected that yet I don’t see anything at all with All Mail on mine email. Might be that eg?

Yes, please.

Yes, now SpamSieve excludes All Mail from filtering in the user interface because it’s normally not what people want. However, if you had selected it before that change, it may stay invisibly selected until the next time you make a change there.

I think I have the information I need to look into the issue, and I’ll contact you if I have more questions or have a new beta to test.

If it helps, I manually updated the com.c-command.SpamSieve.plist and added the All Mail to my email account under the for AppleMailOtherMailboxURLs and now is working. It doesn’t show on the UI the checkbox or even the All Mail value but is filtering.

Good to know, thanks. It probably shows up as Archive in the UI, like in Mail.

Not from what I can see. In the UI for SpamSieve it shows as All Mail for the email with "Y’
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For mine neither the All Mail nor Archive shows up even after manually updating the com.c-command.SpamSieve.plist.
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At least is working for now cause it was driving me nuts rofl.

Is “mine” one of the other accounts? Does that account show Archive or All Mail in Mail’s sidebar?

The plist controls which mailboxes SpamSieve filters, but the mailbox list UI is driven by querying Mail, not by reading the plist file.

“Mine” = the one with “Julio…” That account under its Gmail list it shows “Archive”. All I know is that before when the UI had only INBOX, the filtering stopped working of my account. As soon as I manually updated the plist and inserted the All Mail for my account is filtering now. Whenever there is another code drop, I will update the plist and remove that manual All Mail entry for my email to see if it goes back to working again.

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When was the last time you rebooted your Mac?
I have no idea what the problem may be but I can recommend rebooting the Mac, it just resolved my issue after troubleshooting for several minutes and even reading your posts.

I restarted SS, Mail, disabled the plug-in, reinstalled SS, then I verified all my settings were correct and rebooted. I am running 14.2b3 and I suspect some random service had stalled or needed restarting.

Rebooting the Mac worked for me. Sorry if you tried this already.

Thanks for the suggestion. :smiley:

Usually I don’t reboot frequently; only after new revisions which, until macOS 14.0 (23A344), have just been installing the revisions. As a rule, I stay away from Beta releases. I may have to change that policy with Sonoma, though. It’s been rough going. So, to answer your question, I’ve rebooted at least twice since installing Sonoma.

SpamSieve 3.0.2b4 is now available, which fixes the Gmail issue.

Yep. It seems to be working on its own just fine. Great work! Thank you @Michael_Tsai .

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